From my experience, these things will help you be successful with a Groupon:
* I think you have to be a general portrait photographer to make this work – if you only want to do weddings or commercial then the groupon won’t work. Also, if your deliverables require heavy photoshop work then I’d really think twice about this. You are going to get a lot of customers which will require a lot of work with not much money up front.
* You have to be open minded – this is actually pretty important. I told myself before the ad launched that I would be willing to say “yes” to what ever showed up (as long as they had clothes on). And I got all sorts of requests that were beyond my child and family photography experience. Pets, professional head shots, engagements, parties and its only been a few months. Personally I love the challenge and the experience, but I could see this being a real problem for a photographer with a specific market or looking to go into a specific market. I never lied to customers when they asked about my experience. If hadn’t previously done what they were asking for, I told them so. And I said that if they liked my family and children portraits then chances are they would like my results. So far that approach has worked well.
* Have to be full time - No way to rely only on weekends to shoot that many sessions. You can give your self more time by extending the expiration date. I went with a 7 month time-line because I wanted to work hard for that amount of time and build clients for the fall and holiday season.
* Keep the offer simple – the more you offer the more customers you will get. Common groupons include an hour photo session plus 3 hi-res files, 1-2 8x10s, or CD of files (hi 0r low res). I went with a CD of low res/72 dpi files. Easy to process and I can actually email them rather then sending a CD. Does require explaining what 72 dpi means in terms of printing but I thought it was a good middle grown. Plus it was simple – rather than going back and forth about what image the customer wants, I can email all 20-30 that I deliver. I sold 150 groupons. Photographers with a bigger portfolio or that offered more received 400-900 clients. Definitely figure out what you can and can’t deliver on before signing up.
* When the groupon runs, have a very visible “Groupon q&a” on your site. Answer in advance as many questions as you can think of. You can look at the comment sections of other photo related groupons to see the type of questions people ask. Also – make sure you say “Once you get your Groupon – contact me even if you don’t have a date in mind.” A good number of groupon are never redeemed and while you get paid if the groupon is redeemed or not, unused groupons do you no good. You won’t get their email address from Groupon so having them contact you is in your best interest.
* Need to get your back-office processes in place – this is crucial. That means looking at your contact management system, your contracts, your website, your image processing, your image delivery, and your sales process. The actual shooting will be the easiest part. Managing it all takes something. The question you should ask yourself is can your current system manage 100′s of calls and clients? My answer was a great big no in November. I went with ShootQ.com for my office management because it allowed me to manage contracts electronically and help me implement best practices in my post shoot work flow. For my gallery and printing, I went with Smugmug.com and Bay Photo – both are strong services with great customer service. At this point its fair to say that I would have gone crazy and lost many clients if I didn’t have these systems in place. There are other services of course but definitely make sure those systems are easy to use and can manage hundreds of shoots and relationships. The hair on your head will depend on you taking this seriously.
* Shoot location – I don’t have a studio and do all my portrait sessions on location. San Francisco is small enough that I can get most everywhere in the city limits within 30 minutes. Again with simplicity in mind, I said I’ll meet customers anywhere in the city and charge an extra $50 for travel out side of the city. Other groupon photogs either shoot in a studio or limit locations to 5-10 specific places. What ever you choose, just make sure it works for you.
* Sales process – you need something beyond sending people a link to an online gallery. Doing that will neither help your sales nor really serve the clients. They after all responded to the groupon and weren’t necessarily looking for a photographer when they woke up that morning. Having a follow-up session helps build a better relationship between you and the clients. You can answer questions about the photos and the various print mediums. For most of my clients, I meet with with at their home a week or two after the shoot. I either show the photos on a laptop, their computer or if they have one, a flat screen TV. I also bring sample prints that show different sizes and print types – from a 4×6 glossy to a 24×36 canvas. Again more work, but people really appreciate the extra effort. Of course, if I had a studio I would do this process there.
* Figure out ways to stay sane – you will be working a ton and burnout will be a very real possibility. You want to figure out ways to keep you energy up and health intact. I joined a bootcamp and get up each morning at 6 to have somebody tell me to run up hills. You also want to keep pushing your creativity. Shooting this much will give you an opportunity like no other to improve your photography but you can easily fall into a rut and get massively frustrated. This is a great time to take a class or join a photography club. I really had problems with this after 6-8 weeks of shoots 6-10 sessions a week. Recently I set aside Wednesday afternoons for practice sessions and that has made a huge difference. I’m also active with the San Francisco Smug Mug user group and am organizing critique groups. You need something like to keep the creative juices flowing.
Wow – this ended up being longer than expected. But I think that is one of the big benefits of using Groupon – it is an incredible learning experience. Nothing like a tidal wave of on-the-job training.
Great read. Thanks!
I found this extremely helpful as I recently just relocated from NY to Phoenix and was considering doing this.
Thanks for writing this, it help me a great deal in my research into using Groupon.
I will try this method, but like you said I will make sure I am ready for the scheduling/proof work first!
Hi Joey,
I know you mentioned you can’t speak about the terms of the deal with GroupOn as it refers to the contract. Do you have the freedom to speak about the sales process with GroupOn? Did you reach out to GroupOn to set this up or did them come to you? I would guess you had a interview process that talked about the specifics of the deal, your objectives, and how you want your brand represented?
I’m helping a friend who is an aspiring photographer, and as a Internet marketing practitioner myself, I wanted to get some first person details before I recommend. I know these grouping buying deals have their advantages & disadvantages so I want to be safe. Thanks in advance and good luck with your biz!
Hi there – couple things. Its not that I can’t speak about the contract, its that I choose not to. Groupon was great to work with and I don’t want to speak about things that only apply to me. As for the process, I called them up (Erica G is awesome), we discussed a couple different deal options and signed the contract. They did everything after that – writing copy, choosing photos, etc. but If your friend that isn’t what you should be concerned about. Big question is can he/she manage a large influx of clients and the associated work. That is no joke. Good luck.
I think this is a fantastic and completely useful post. I’ve been thinking about doing Groupons as well, but the sheer amount of potential sales scared me. I would love to get an update in 3 more months when it’s all said and done. I may consider this option if/when I open my own studio to generate some buzz.
Thanks so much for the informative post!
Hey Joey,
I have been considering Groupon for my new photography business because I’d like to get more customers. I use Pictage for my proofing & print sales and find that it’s a lot more convenient for my clients to order whatever their hearts desire from the galleries I set-up for them. They can even design and order an album if they’d like.
It sounds like Groupon was a great way to get your brand out to the masses!
Thanks for the article!
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Some good info here. I am considering this now, but am being undercut by beginners and those who tend to ruin the market. I was told by one deal company that a woman was offering an hour shoot, 20 retouched images, a disc with everything on it and full copyright for $30. While it’s a great customer acquisition tool, it’s offers that cheap that are even killing it for someone who shoots exceptional, original photography as I do. When photographers don’t know the value of their work, it affects things for others who know the difference.
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Hey Joey,
Yes this helped a lot. I’m in the should I or shouldn’t I group so I doing some well in advance research. I have some major revamping to do so I would like to be as ready as possible if I make the decision. Thanks again for your enlightening post.
- Nathan
Thank you for this thorough post, including your follow-up notes from July. Followed a link posted in the comments on the MCP Actions Fan page and wanted to let you know I enjoyed the work you poured into writing such a detailed post.
I’m so glad you put this together for the rest of us to read. This was EXTREMELY helpful in my decision-making process!! Thank you!
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Your post is just what I was looking for. Thanks for sharing! Do you think doing a Groupon deal is a good way to make the transition from part time to full time photography? I’d love to do Groupon, but I know I won’t have enough time unless I take a leave of absence from my 3-4 day day job, or quit. Is this the time to do it?
Tough call – I would only go full time if you are in it for a long hall. Its not easy and takes a lot of work so you need to be ready for that with or without groupon. But if you are thinking about it and want to jump then jump (but not because of groupon).
Thanks for such a big and detailed review!
It seams Groupon has a great potential!
Interested: Does Groupon allow to offer digital products using their system, or, it’s possible only with physical products and services?
Kind Regards,
Photo Editor of Photo-help.com
Not sure about digital products – I imagine so but you should contact them.
Really good stuff Joey. I’ve been thinking about groupon for some time now, but haven’t spent the time to think about all of the logistics and just how much business to expect from it. This article was super helpful and gave me a lot to think about.
Glad you liked it Ryan. Let me know how Groupon-ing works out for you.
Thanks so much for the heads up. This information is great and oh so helpful!!
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Thanks for taking the time to share this. I may be hitting you up soon for a mentoring session. I was thinking of doing this in August.
Great – are you doing the groupon in August or the coaching session?
Hi Joey
I’d lilke to say that it’s a tough call to decide exactly what percentage you should offer off the shoot price and what other products to offer. I guess your terms and conditions should be tight as to what exactly is included epecially location.
Could you say from your personal experience what propartion of the clients that you had from Groupon were from your prefered group. Does anyone have any experince of retaining the groupon clients for other work?
Thanks agin for your post very useful in drafting my first Groupon deal
Rosemarie
Thank you for the informative article!
Photographers please ……. Retain your copyright!!! Dont give out your Hi-Res files. Why give the labs the profit on what you created? Provide a reasonable offer, do a great job and try and sell additionals to your new clients. Even if you average a couple hundred dollars per client, that will make it a worthwhile deal for you. If you wish, give your clients a web quality 72 dpi file of the images ordered or purchased with your studio watermark for use on Facebook or uploading to iPhones, iPads, etc. This will increase your exposure to thousands more people. I’ve been in the business of photography over 25 years, negatives were never provided to customers. Photographers that were rumored to be doing that were often blacklisted. These days all the newbies have started the new trend of shooting and burning files. What was once a respected and profitable profession has turned out to be one of the least lucrative businesses out there with established studios closing there doors daily on a nationwide level ! Let’s stick together and take control. STOP the HI RES Epidemic!!!